Rough Idle

[Dvl4evr]

Hi All!

My 99 FRC is idling rough & I was wondering what some of the causes might be. While @ stop lights it idles about 7-800 rpm then will drop to about 4-500 & then will shoot up to around 900-1000. It will do this the entire time I'm stopped. I also feel pulsing during rush hour traffic where I'm in 2nd gear without being on the throttle.

Thanks,

Jim

[Speedratchet]

Are you getting any codes? Have you had any work done before this problem started? Check for air leaks from the air filter to the intake manifold. I would also check the fuel pressure.

[Guest Sidewinder]

Check for codes.

[anmracing2]

Could it be a clogged injector??

Andrew

[Bigfoot]

Check for any leaks/disconnected hoses in the PCV/Evap system. There are hoses that run from valve cover to valve cover, behind the intake manifold up to the throttle body. Also, make sure your oil fill cap is on correctly. Any of these will allow unmetered air into the intake manifold behind the MAF and cause lean conditions and rough idle. Sometimes even high to low idle.

Ask me how I know.

[Dvl4evr]

Thanks guys. I'm not throwing any codes & I will check for leaks this weekend.

Jim

[ICULUKN]

check your MAFS. this can cause it. Any unregulated air north of the MAFS can cause a condition like what you are experiencing. You can call ADS, and have them hook you up to a TECH 2.. Just cause you arent throwing a code doesnt mean that your tables are correct

[Bigfoot]

I'd say bring her by the lunch on Saturday and we can take a look...but that's a long drive from Chandler.

[1EVLC7]

DEFINITION: The engine runs unevenly at idle. If severe, the engine or the vehicle may shake. Engine idle speed may vary in RPM. Either condition may be severe enough to stall the engine.

Preliminary Checks

• Refer to Important Preliminary Checks Before Starting in Symptoms .

• Search for bulletins.

• Inspect the PCM grounds for being clean, tight and in the proper locations. Refer to Engine Controls Schematics .

• Remove and inspect the air filter element for dirt, or for being restricted. Refer to Air Cleaner Element Replacement . Replace as necessary.

Fuel System

• Test the fuel injectors. Refer to Fuel Injector Coil Test - Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Between 10-35 Degrees C (50-95 Degrees F) .

• Test for incorrect fuel pressure. Refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .

• Test for a restricted fuel filter. Refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .

• Test for a contaminated fuel condition. Refer to Alcohol/Contaminants-in-Fuel Diagnosis .

• Inspect that each injector harness is connected to the correct injector/cylinder according to the firing order (firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3). Relocate the injector harnesses as necessary.

• Inspect for items which can cause an engine to run rich (long term fuel trim near -13%). For a rich condition, refer to DTC P0132 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 1 and DTC P0152 HO2S Circuit High Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 1 .

• Inspect for items that can cause an engine to run lean (long term fuel trim near 23%). For a lean condition, refer to DTC P0131 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 1 Sensor 1 and DTC P0151 HO2S Circuit Low Voltage Bank 2 Sensor 1 .

Sensor/System

• Test the crankcase ventilation valve for proper operation. Place a finger over the inlet hole of the valve end several times. The valve should snap back. If not, replace the valve.

• Use a scan tool in order to monitor the KS system for excessive spark retard activity. Refer to Knock Sensor (KS) System Description .

Ignition System

• Test for proper ignition voltage output with spark tester J 26792 . Refer to Electronic Ignition (EI) System Diagnosis for the proper procedure.

• Remove the spark plugs and inspect for the following:

- Correct heat range; refer to Spark Plug Usage in Engine Electrical.

- Wet plugs; refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical.

- Cracks; refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical.

- Wear; refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical.

- Improper gap; refer to Spark Plug Replacement in Engine Electrical.

- Burned electrodes; refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical.

- Heavy deposits; refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical.

• An improper spark plug gap causes a driveability concern. Gap the spark plugs using a wire gauge gap tool (J 41319). Refer to Spark Plug Replacement .

• Determine the cause of the fouling before replacing the spark plugs if the spark plugs are gas, coolant or oil fouled. Refer to DTC P0172 Fuel Trim System Rich Bank 1 or DTC P0175 Fuel Trim System Rich Bank 2 for diagnosis of the rich condition. Refer to Spark Plug Visual Diagnosis in Engine Electrical for diagnosis of coolant or oil fouled spark plugs.

• Visually/Physically inspect the secondary ignition for the following:

- Ignition wires arcing to ground; refer to Spark Plug Wires Not Operating Properly in Engine Electrical.

- Ignition wires for proper routing; refer to Spark Plug Wire Harness Replacement in Engine Electrical.

- Ignition coils for cracks or carbon tracking

• Wet down the secondary ignition system with water from a spray bottle. Wetting down the secondary ignition system may help locate damaged or deteriorated components. Look/listen for arcing or misfiring as you apply water.

• Inspect for loose ignition coil grounds. Refer to Electronic Ignition (EI) System Diagnosis .

Engine Mechanical

• Inspect engine mechanical for the following:

- Test compression. Refer to Engine Compression Test in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Sticking or leaking valves. Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Worn camshaft lobe(s). Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Valve timing. Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Bent push rods. Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Worn rocker arms. Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Broken valve springs. Refer to Valve Train Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

- Excessive oil in combustion chamber-Leaking valve seals. Refer to Oil Consumption Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

• For incorrect basic engine parts. Inspect the following:

- Camshaft

- Cylinder heads

- Pistons, etc.

• Refer to Engine Mechanical for diagnosis procedures.

Additional Checks

• Inspect the exhaust system for possible restrictions. Inspect for the following:

- Inspect the exhaust system for damaged or collapsed pipes. Refer to Restricted Exhaust System Check .

- Inspect the exhaust manifold for a collapsed inner wall.

- Inspect the mufflers for heat distress or possible internal failure. Refer to Restricted Exhaust System Check .

- Inspect for possible plugged Three-Way catalytic converters by comparing exhaust system back pressure on each side of engine. Check the back pressure by removing AIR check valves near the exhaust manifolds. Refer to Restricted Exhaust System Check .

• Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) on the reference circuit can cause an engine miss condition. A scan tool can usually detect EMI by monitoring the engine RPM. A sudden increase in RPM with little change in actual engine RPM change indicates that EMI is present. If a problem exists, inspect for high voltage components near ignition control circuits.

• Test the PNP switch circuit. Refer to DTC P0705 Trans Range Switch Circuit or DTC P0706 Trans Range Switch Performance .

• Inspect for faulty engine mounts. Refer to Engine Mount Replacement in Engine Mechanical-5.7L for inspection of the mounts.

• Inspect the intake manifold and the exhaust manifold passages for casting flash. Refer to Intake Manifold Cleaning and Inspection or Exhaust Manifold Cleaning and Inspection in Engine Mechanical-5.7L.

[Guest Sidewinder]

Admins,

This is a great fault tree. Can we make it a sticky?

[Eddie44]

Admins,

This is a great fault tree. Can we make it a sticky?

DONE!