Boogidy, Boogidy, Boogidy., LET'S GO RACIN' BOYS!!! Options

[FNBADAZ06]

Now THAT'S RACIN' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yeah.gif)
I would even prefer seeing the ALMS Corvettes racing the big ovals over open wheel cars.

[LastC3]

YEAH !!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/party.gif) lets get that bump draft workin ............ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/10362bowtie.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap.gif)

[Grayeagle]

GT2 ..yassir .. lookin forward to Ferrari whinin about those mean, nasty corvettes peein in their pool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

-Frank

[az-gold]

IMHO...

NASCAR of late has relegated itself to nothing more than a high speed version of the old Roller Derby ie. some are blockers and some are jammers but only the headliner is to take the lead. Oh sure, call me a skeptic, but realistically do you really think that for one minute that the Roushe's, the Hendricks, the Ganassi's et al have never told their teams who is to block and who is to be the front runner for the "cartel"? Remember, the team owners not doing this for a hobby.

If you look beyond the "team" names on the link below ,you can see who is the "listed owner" and there are several two (2) car owners (Penske, Yates, Roush, etc) and Childress is the "listed owner"of three (3) cars. What might be the most interesting factoid being that Jeff Gordon is the "listed owner" of Jimmie Johnson's ride. I guess it beats pulling any old name out of the phone book, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_teams

My view of a perfect NASCAR world...I'd like to see NASCAR limit any one organization to no more than two (2) entries per season thereby limiting any one entitiy's ability to try and engineer/choreograph one of their car/driver's apparent performance.

Let the cars race, let the driver's drive and let the spectators see real racing, not some watered down, choreographed, media event of loud cars making left turns for an afternoon.

Yeah, I like to watch it, but only if there's real competition amongst the drivers and not the "cartels".

my 2 cents

This post has been edited by az-gold: Feb 10 2010, 09:08 AM

[Bigfoot99]

IMHO...

NASCAR of late has relegated itself to nothing more than a high speed version of the old Roller Derby ie. some are blockers and some are jammers but only the headliner is to take the lead. Oh sure, call me a skeptic, but realistically do you really think that for one minute that the Roushe's, the Hendricks, the Ganassi's et al have never told their teams who is to block and who is to be the front runner for the "cartel"? Remember, the team owners not doing this for a hobby.

If you look beyond the "team" names on the link below ,you can see who is the "listed owner" and there are several two (2) car owners (Penske, Yates, Roush, etc) and Childress is the "listed owner"of three (3) cars. What might be the most interesting factoid being that Jeff Gordon is the "listed owner" of Jimmie Johnson's ride. I guess it beats pulling any old name out of the phone book, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_teams

My view of a perfect NASCAR world...I'd like to see NASCAR limit any one organization to no more than two (2) entries per season thereby limiting any one entitiy's ability to try and engineer/choreograph one of their car/driver's apparent performance.

Let the cars race, let the driver's drive and let the spectators see real racing, not some watered down, choreographed, media event of loud cars making left turns for an afternoon.

Yeah, I like to watch it, but only if there's real competition amongst the drivers and not the "cartels".

my 2 cents

Now I'm not saying some of the "team orders" stuff doesn't happen. But do you really think that an organization would "limit" a guy that has been voted the most popular driver in NASCAR since he began driving the series to a 25th position overall during the season (Dale Jr.)? That would hurt his rep and lose fans...I'm one of them that doesn't really care a whole lot right now because he's done so poorly.

If those "orders" were given, why does it seem that Roush boys like to wreck each other every once in a while.


Why has Jimmy been "given" the championship the last four years instead of Gordon so he could surpass Dale E. in total championships?

While I agree that some of that goes on to a VERY mild extent, your argument is too full of holes.

[az-gold]

IMHO...

NASCAR of late has relegated itself to nothing more than a high speed version of the old Roller Derby ie. some are blockers and some are jammers but only the headliner is to take the lead. Oh sure, call me a skeptic, but realistically do you really think that for one minute that the Roushe's, the Hendricks, the Ganassi's et al have never told their teams who is to block and who is to be the front runner for the "cartel"? Remember, the team owners not doing this for a hobby.

If you look beyond the "team" names on the link below ,you can see who is the "listed owner" and there are several two (2) car owners (Penske, Yates, Roush, etc) and Childress is the "listed owner"of three (3) cars. What might be the most interesting factoid being that Jeff Gordon is the "listed owner" of Jimmie Johnson's ride. I guess it beats pulling any old name out of the phone book, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_teams

My view of a perfect NASCAR world...I'd like to see NASCAR limit any one organization to no more than two (2) entries per season thereby limiting any one entitiy's ability to try and engineer/choreograph one of their car/driver's apparent performance.

Let the cars race, let the driver's drive and let the spectators see real racing, not some watered down, choreographed, media event of loud cars making left turns for an afternoon.

Yeah, I like to watch it, but only if there's real competition amongst the drivers and not the "cartels".

my 2 cents

Now I'm not saying some of the "team orders" stuff doesn't happen. But do you really think that an organization would "limit" a guy that has been voted the most popular driver in NASCAR since he began driving the series to a 25th position overall during the season (Dale Jr.)? That would hurt his rep and lose fans...I'm one of them that doesn't really care a whole lot right now because he's done so poorly.

If those "orders" were given, why does it seem that Roush boys like to wreck each other every once in a while.


Why has Jimmy been "given" the championship the last four years instead of Gordon so he could surpass Dale E. in total championships?

While I agree that some of that goes on to a VERY mild extent, your argument is too full of holes.

To answer your last questions, I think it's pretty obvious, because it has made good business sense.
1. Clean cut, JJ, plays the patience game very well, and no doubt gets boo-coo bucks from Lowes. So why upset that revenue stream if I were Hendricks?
2. Jr, who doesn't love an underdog? Publicist are paid very well in his case to keep his popularity up, in spite of only making an "appearance" on the track.
3. Jeff G? Let us not forget the suspect controversy not that long ago about his lifestyle orientations that made him although perhaps more attractive to a specific market, not one that was particularly mainstream to NASCAR. Can you say "the rainbow warrior"? Still a good sponsorship dollar, but tarnished, rightfully or not, in the eyes of the corporate ad dollar spenders.

It seems to me that from a business model standpoint the watered down, nearly predictable NASCAR product is nothing more than a means to accomplish an end, hanging one's corporate logo in front of million's of people every weekend for hours and in the end pay less than it would cost for an equal amount of time paid to a network for 1 minute ad spots. If I'm getting $20 million in 2002 for making sure that one of my drivers makes a good show, why wouldn't I be trying to choreograph my team to ensure that money still comes in?

Check out the link below and try to honestly tell me this is all about the "sport of racing" or is it the sport of advertising and multi-million dollar sponsorship deals that amount to nothing more than hours of advertising. If anything the business of NASCAR, and that is exactly what it is, a business, has gotten more commercial than when this article came out:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nasca...ov-sponsors.htm

I agree with whomever said let's get back to the real sport of racing with livery markings on the cars vs cereal brands, after shave, hardware stores, delivery companies and male enhancement products on them.

As I see it, IMHO, right now it seems like NASCAR - Roller Derby....there ain't much difference.

To call it NASCAR racing is tantamount to calling the WWF on par with Olympic sport of Greco-Roman wrestling.

Bottom line, it's still just entertainment.

Sorry to have hidden the rose colored glasses on some people here.

Man, do I miss weekends at Limerock....sigh

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